The Cusp explores how AI is changing the ways we learn and work. Hosted by veteran journalist Paul Fain, the podcast features interviews with decision makers and innovators who are at the forefront of this change.


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Episode 6

Julia Lane is a renowned expert on public data. An economist, NYU professor, and regular advisor to the federal government, Julia recently advised the Commerce Department on President Biden’s executive order on AI.

In this episode, Paul Fain talks with Julia about her intriguing call for a new national center on data that would measure AI’s impacts on jobs—a center that exists outside of government and would be stood up by philanthropy. Julia shares her thoughts about what we don’t know about AI, and how her idea for a national center could answer big questions about how the technology is playing out in the labor market.

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